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Disclosure: The Core i7 8700K was loaned by AORUS to test the Z370 Gaming 7 and therefore not provided by Intel or any of its third parties press contacts.
Intel eight generation Coffee Lake SKUs are based on 14nm manufacturing process. It uses the same socket LGA 1151 as its older brother Kaby Lake processors. There have been significant changes where its contact points are different between them. This resulted in incompatibility and an uproar within the community. We got a lot of information, mostly from leaks and previews. Conveniently leaked leaks. Intel is pushing Core i3 four core and 6 core for its mid to upper SKUs- some with six threads with i5 series and some with 12 threads under i7 series. Intel is calling these desktop SKUs as S series, though to be fair that’s just going to create confusion in the market. Interesting times are back to the CPU world now that AMD got its act together with Ryzen series SKUs. Smell the air, because the lake is filled with coffee!!
Coffee Lake + Intel Z370 Overview
The maximum display support is three. The Native USB support is between USB 3.1 Gen 1 and USB 2.0. It totals up to 10 USB 3.1 Gen 1 support and up to 14 USB 2.0. Naturally, they’re not going to be motherboard manufacturers to utilize a lot of USB 2.0 availability. At this point, we would have appreciated native support for USB 3.1 Gen 2. The standard native Native SATA III is provided for up to six devices.
The discrete PCIe distribution for the Intel Z370 is PCIe 3.1 x16/ x8 + x8/ x8 + X4 + x4. The platform supports Intel Optane memory, VT-d, Intel HD Audio, Rapid Storage, Rapid Storage for PCIe Storage, Intel Smart Sound and Intel Platform Trust Technology and Boot Guard.On paper, there is no difference. It even has the same package size of 23 x 24mm.
From the CPU, there are 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes while 24 of them are from the Intel Z370 chipset. The unit supports DisplayPort 1.2 and HDMI 1.4 from its on-chip. Its native memory support is up to 2667 MHz. This lane distribution is not different from the not-so-old at all Kaby Lake + Z270 platform. You cannot call it as a refresh if there wasn’t a difference between Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake. The main addition is that Intel assures better overclocking, better 14nm process, better power delivery, 2666MHz support, more smart cache and more cores.
Why the incompatibility issue?
For an 8 core 12 thread CPU, its TDP is 95 watts, compared to 91 watts on the Core i7 7700K viz. a four core eight-thread processor. But Intel says it has improved its power deliveries required to provide better overclocking, mostly for its six-core Core i5 variants. We already have Core i3 quad cores and Core i7 six cores. One subsetting that I’ve observed is the per-core overclocking.
Had the gap between Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake were wide enough, people wouldn’t have talked about it. But Ryzen came in like a wrecking ball and Intel had to do something by the time it can roll out eight core Coffee Lake CPUs. Yes, technicalities aside if Coffee Lake had compatibility with Z270 chipsets, retailers can afford to have attractive pricing for 200 series motherboards and bundle it with them. Apart from a bit of a sting, there’s no reason for 7 gen users to shift to 8th gen at all- same for 7th gen to Ryzen series.
8th Gen SKU Overview
When Kaby Lake SKUs were out, the variants were available between $117 for the Core i3-7300 all the way to $339 for a Core i7 7700K. The Coffee Lake series is between $ 117 Core i3 8100 to $ 359 with the Core i7 8700K. What I have is the Intel Core i7 8700K, the flagship six-core twelve thread desktop CPU, with a base clock of 3.7 GHz and boost up to 4.7 GHz. You’ll notice that between the variants there is a slight base clock reduction, but that’s pretty much it. The Core i7 8700K gives a 1 GHz turbo boost, leaving i7 7700K behind which has 0.30 GHz boost. Furthermore, this is a six-core twelve thread CPU Vs four core eight core with 12 MB vs 8 MB smart cache and higher memory frequency support.
Based on the current launch, there are going to be three unlocked SKUs, each of them belonging to the available series Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7. The Core i3 representing the four core-four thread models while the Core i5 that should be targetting a wide array of users has six core six threads. Core i7 has way more smart cache, threads and Turbo Boost. Even Core i7 8700 is special for those who may not be comfortable with overclocking as it provides up to 1.4 GHz boost. All you need is good cooling to help the CPU keep turbo as constant as possible during loads- or base clock speed and its multiplier to max via UEFI.
Comparison with 7th Gen Kaby Lake SKU
|SKU||Core i7 8700K||Core i7 7700K|
|Architecture||Coffee Lake||Kaby Lake|
|Process||14nm process||14nm process|
|Base Clock||3.7 GHz||4.20 GHz|
|With Turbo 2.0 Clock||4.7GHz||4.50 GHz|
|Cores/ Threads||6/ 12||4 / 8|
|TDP||95 w||91 w|
|Intel Smart Cache||12 MB||8 MB|
|Max Mem Support||Dual Channel
DDR4 2666 MHz
DDR4 2400 MHz
(At the time of launch)
You should also note Kaby Lake does not have ECC support, while Coffee Lake allows you to use them. Sounds very familiar, eh?
There are a reasonable (by Intel’s standards) differences between them, but what creates discomfort is the space of within a year between these generations. Kaby Lake and its 200 series chipsets were out since Q1 2017. This is the dawn of the Q4 2017. Ouch!
Comparison with the Ryzen series
Eventually, it boils down to this:
|SKU||Core i7 8700K||Ryzen 7 1700X|
|Architecture||Coffee Lake (Intel)||Ryzen (AMD)|
|Process||14nm process||14nm Process|
|Base Clock||3.7 GHz||3 GHz|
|With Turbo 2.0 Clock||4.7GHz||3.7 GHz|
|Cores// Threads||6/ 12||8/ 16|
|Thermal Design Power||95 w||95 w|
|L3 Memory||12 MB||16 MB|
|Max Mem Support||Dual Channel DDR4 up to 2667 MHz||Dual Channel DDR4 up to 2667 MHz|
|Pricing (At the time of launch)||$ 359||$ 399|
Face-to-face comparison, it doesn’t really look good for Intel. Same TDP, more cores more threads more L3 Cache favours AMD. Multi-threaded performance should also favour AMD, which at this point of the requirement by users is an important factor.
Unfortunately, I have limited information on both sides. Ryzen because we never got a desktop CPU from them or from the motherboard manufacturers. Same for Intel as we got this chip from Taiwan to review the Aorus Z370 Gaming 7. This gave a good room for me to review both the Z370 motherboard and the Coffee Lake. The only comparable number I have is from CPU-Z bench which scores the score from R7 1800x and the 1700X.
Even if there are some variants that look attractive, AMD has started to have some of its variants sold at a cheaper rate for a limited time. But its also interesting to see manufacturers who make motherboards for both platforms usually market and make many variants of Intel Z370 motherboards from Day 1. Sure, Intel has better single thread performance and Intel Optane support. It would be nice if Intel could have managed to provide a bit more features- such as USB 3.1 Gen 2 native support.
Single Thread/Multi Thread
The Ryzen 7 series SKU R7 1700, R7 1700X and 1800X have its initial launch priced for $329, $ 399 and $499. But AMD gets an advantage of two added cores. While having an eight-core only for gaming makes no sense, it does when coupled with productivity or multi-tasking. AMD also tried to repackage it for gamers who also stream (and maybe record gameplay in the system at the same time?), giving that importance towards multi-core multi-thread performance.
The launch date was in late Q1 2017, which doesn’t give Intel any headroom to push eight core Coffee Lake right off the bat. Therefore it reaches a situation- either to alienate existing Kaby Lake users for incompatibility but give an upgrade choice for those who are using a much older platform ranging from AMD’s aged AM3+ platform to at best 4th generation Core series users. AMD will have Ryzen 2 series coming out next year. As pissed off you might be, this is the pace we will see in the desktop processor and chipset when there is a competitive duopoly system- and it is not as if your existing system would be obsolete- its just two cores short for the price where you bought it two quarters ago.
Intel has a bumped UHD 630 series on-chip graphics, an upgraded version of the HD 630. None of the AMD Ryzen have on-chip graphics, a very small and insignificant for mid to upper-level segments users- and in some scenarios. Eventually, AMD will come out with APUs.
The Aftermarket CPU cooler situation
This is interesting as I am helping one making up their mind between Ryzen 7 1700X and Ryzen 5 1600X against price equivalent variants of the Coffee Lake series.
At the end of the day, LGA 115x aftermarket CPU cooler support is a LONG one, while the socket mounts for AM3+ and AM4+ is different. More so, not all aftermarket CPU coolers- air or liquid- have a purchasable AM4+ kit, no matter how new the CPU coolers were. Some of them don’t even have a proper AM4+ kit as well. Some, like Noctua, manage very well with a proper bolt through kit. Liquid cooler makers at best rely on retention bracket system. Many of the CPU coolers are not cheap at all. Many of these CPU coolers are good enough for the newer CPUs if it wasn’t for a proper mounting. It is an interesting conversation. While it may not influence some type of people changing their platform upgrade plans….or would it?
Eight Core Coffee Lake?
It is rumored that by next year we should get eight core coffee lake and the Intel Z390 chipset motherboards. We’ll cross that bridge when we get there! Because just like now, the obvious discussion would be will the eight core Coffee Lake work with Intel Z370? Same conversation with Ryzen and Ryzen 2. So many CPU conversations!